THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE

INSPIRED WORD OF GOD



Let me first define the Proposition:

"The Qur'an" (we are talking about the original MMS - NOT necessarily Translations or Paraphrases [will get into that later])

"Is not the inspired word of God" (I mean by that, Not from God....but from man)



We will be comparing the Bible and the Qur'an. Be careful to compare the type of "proofs" being offered by Nadir and myself. His proofs will take a degree of "faith." You will need to already believe in the Qur'an.

We will be using the type of logic - like in a court of law - evidence. You will be called upon to "reason." Nadir and I are under obligation to prove what we say by "A preponderance of the evidence;" by reason.


Only one can be "Divinely Inspired."

The Bible claims to be the only inspired work, the only word that comes from God.....so both can't be inspired. Even if the Qur'an says that BOTH are from God. If Bible is wrong on this point, .....that it is God's only written, inspired, revelation to man.... then the Bible can't be from God

Nadir showed last night what he believed were proofs that the Bible is not God's word.... COMPARE CAREFULLY THE TYPE OF PROOFS HE OFFERED WITH THE TYPE OF PROOFS I OFFER THAT THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD.


The Qur'an is not consistent with known Scientific Laws

And there is nothing in the Qur'an that pre-dates true scientific knowledge...as does the Bible

The Qur'an tells us about "Seven Heavens" in S.67:3, S.23:86, S.71:15, S.41:12; S.17:44

Sean put up OHP#32

What is meant by the "Seven Heavens?" One might pass over these verses as essentially poetic, but Dr. Torki (an Islamic scholar)attempts to show that this agrees with modern astronomical knowledge.

Starting with the earth's atmosphere which averages about 40 kms in thickness as the first heaven, he then multiplies this by 10,000 for the second heaven (lunar heaven), then multiply that by 10,000 for the third (solar) heaven, then that by 10,000 for the fourth (etc...) he comes up with the galactic heaven and the cosmic heaven, etc.

Calling the earth's atmosphere the first heaven, and everything else the second, might have some validity; but everything else is arbitrary.

Outside the earth's atmosphere, space is continuous and qualitatively similar, as Torki himself says. It is a basic assumption to separate what is continuous space into a lunar and a solar heaven. It is a basic assumption to separate the sun, which is a star, from the near stars, or from the galaxy which contains it. It is a basic assumption to call our galaxy one heaven, and other galaxies another heaven. Even multiplying by 10,000 seems to be a completely arbitrary basic assumption since no scientific reason is given............Even more important from the Muslim standpoint, Dr. Torki's hypothesis does not agree with the following verses from the Qur'an,

S.37:6, ``We have indeed adorned the lower heaven with the beauty of the stars.''

S.41:12 ``And He completed them seven heavens in two days and inspired in each heaven its command; and We adorned the lower heaven with lamps(masabih), and rendered it guarded...''

S.67:3,5, ``He Who created the seven heavens, one above the other... And We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps (masabih)...''


I had planned on talking about more scientific difficulties such as:

MOUNTAINS

SHOOTING STARS AND METEORS

PROBLEMS ABOUT TIME THAT THINGS HAPPENED...

I promised Nadir that I would give him all the information that I was going to give in the debate by 15 days before the debate...I inadvertently left these out of my notes. I have made these available in print form for you future study, if you like. Tap Here

I did tell Nadir that I was going to show the type of Science you find in the Bible .............Talking "Scientific Laws, not theories"

In the Qur'an the knowledge is consistent with its day.

Sean...Put up OHP#33

The Bible has knowledge that could only have come from God

In Psalm 8:8 David tells of the "paths of the sea." If you ever pass by the Naval Academy, in Annapolis, Md., you will see a statue of Matthew Fontaine Maury. He is called the "Father of Oceanography."

One day will lying ill his son was reading to him out of the Bible and read this verse. The senior Maury asked for it to be repeated. He then said, "If God says there are 'paths of the sea' I'm going to find them." When he got well, that is just what he did. We now have the modern shipping lanes and can track fish in these "paths of the sea" that were "discovered" by Matthew Fontain Maury. He really didn't discover them, however. God told him that they were there!!


Paul said, "All flesh not the same." He asserts that there is a different flesh of animal, man, fish, and fowl. Until the invention of the electron microscope we could not tell from one kind of flesh from another. It was assumed that the cells were the same. If a woman was murdered and they found fragments of flesh under her fingernails, they wouldn't have known if she scratched a man, pinched her dog, or was preparing dinner. Now they can take a few cells and determine exactly what type of flesh it was. Because we now know..."all flesh is not the same" - 1 Cor. 15:39

In Lev. 17:11 Moses said that the "life of the flesh is in the blood." Until recently (historically speaking) man thought that when you are sick you needed to get that "bad blood" out of you. They would cut fingers and let you bleed into a bucket; cut you wrists; put leeches on you, etc. People grew sicker....some died. We now know by science that "the life of the flesh is in the blood."

In Isa. 49:22 and Prov. 8:27 we learn that the Earth is spherical. The Hebrew word for "round" in these verses is "khug;" the word for sphericity (like a ball). Until way past the time of Columbus people still believed the world was flat. If you sailed out past the "horizon" you would fall off the end. But God said all along that the world is a "circle," a sphere (khug).

Ptolomy and other scientists of their day determined that you can count the stars. They designed elaborate grids to keep track of their position. The determined that there were approximately 3200 stars. This was accepted "science" until the development of the telescope. Now we know that the "stars are innumerable," just as recorded by God for us in Jer. 33:22; Heb. 11:12

There are many, many other examples such as Job's statement that the "earth not supported" - Job 26:7

Babies were to be circumcised on the eighth day. We know now that blood does not begin to clot until the eighth day. Babies could have bled to death. We now can inject vitamin K into babies to promote blood clotting and safely circumcise them before the eighth day. But how could Moses have known that vitamin K wasn't produced in babies until the eighth day?

Modern Scientific Knowledge

Here is where we will differ......Nadir tells us about the "big bang theory" and that most all scientists agree that is how the earth began.....and that the Qur'an speaks of such. I deny that is true science.

Nadir will affirm that the scientists agree to an "old" earth (millions or billions of years old).....and that denies the "young" earth theory of the Bible. I do not believe this is true science.....We are talking theories.


I want us to consider scientific LAWS - not speculation; not theories....We can stack those theories on each side of the room. He can stack "his" to the ceiling, and so can I.

We need to consider scientific laws like the 1 & 2 laws of thermodynamics; and the laws of Biogenesis. The earth is running down - not evolving. Science tells us that "All life comes from pre-existing life" - not that life spontaneously generated from non-life. Science tells us that each species reproduces "after its own kind" - just like the Genesis account.

The Bible is not a Science book.... and is not expected to explain all scientific knowledge. But every place it touches on Science it is correct.

I think that it is further proof that it is from God in that it never makes silly statements that would reflect the science of its time. Some recent (so called) "inspired" books written by men (only a little over 100 years ago) tell us that when a mother nurses her child the child takes on the characteristics of the mother. Wet nurses who were of bad moral character passed on those characteristics to the child......Another says that metal, including precious metal, "grows like the hair on your head." It grows much slower, but if left alone it is constantly growing.....WHY DOESN'T THE BIBLE MAKE SUCH CLAIMS .... IT IS MUCH OLDER!!

Sean....Put up OHP#34


COMPARE THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN

Bible is consistent with its message throughout. The Bible was written by 40 writers over 1500 yrs. It is certainly amazing, to say the very least, that there are no contradictions. The message is constant.....the OT pointing toward a Messiah, a Savior who would come to the children of Israel but would also save the people of all nations. The NT revealing that Jesus is Christ (Messiah); and He fulfilled all the prophecies concerning Himself from each of these OT prophets. And every prophecy concerning the coming kingdom, or church, was fulfilled! TRULY AMAZING....NO CONTRADICTIONS!!

Nadir claims the same for the Qur'an; that there are no contradictions. (You will see in a moment that is not true.) But if it were true. We know that it was given by 1 man in 1 generation. We would almost expect that there would be no contradictions.

Seeing how the Bible has such scientific pre-knowledge; how all the prophecies and information were consistent throughout the 1500 years and 40 writers, etc. we must realize that "Men COULDN'T HAVE WRITTEN IT" even if they wanted to.......However, if someone wanted to write a book like the Qur'an, or the Book of Mormon, or Doctrines and Covenants, the works of Mary Baker Eddie.....not only COULD THEY....THEY DID!!

Another important proof that the Bible came from God is that "Men WOULDN'T HAVE WRITTEN IT, even if they could." The Bible doesn't allow men to satiate their appetites. The Bible restricts man to one wife....for life. The Bible demands "self-control" in areas that man would rather not have to control himself. We will see in a moment that the Qur'an allows for those things that man would like to do. Not only now....but in heaven. For that matter the Qur'an is just what men WOULD have written....allows for sensuality, polygamy, and other desires of the flesh.

Sean....Put up OHP#30

Mohammed certainly had respect for the Bible as God's word!!

Mohammed said to believe all if these inspired writers. The Muslims are supposed to believe Moses...They are to believe the Tora...

But the Qur'an contradicts the OT....Sean Put up OHP#12

Look at all of these contradictions and mis-statements that we find in the Qur'an as it applies to OT history. I am sure that we can find many more.

In the Qur'an's version of Noah and the flood, one of Noah's sons drowned....In the Tora all were saved

In the Qur'an's version of Lot's escape from Sodom Lot's wife stayed behind....In the Tora she didn't

In the Qur'an's version of Joseph and Potipher's wife we find Potipher near the door when his wife seduces Joseph....In the Tora he was not home

In the Qur'an's version Potipher urges Joseph to forgive her....In the Tora he was put into prison

In the Qur'an's version Joseph was imprisoned for resisting a group of women....In the Tora he was imprisoned for resisting Potipher's wife

In the Qur'an's version of the Pharaoh's dream the cupbearer tells the interpretation of the dream....In the Tora Joseph does

In the Qur'an's version of hiding Baby Moses in the Nile Pharaoh's people pick up Moses and the Pharaoh's wife urges him not to kill the child....In the Tora Pharaoh's daughter finds the child

In the Qur'an's version of when Moses met Jethro's daughters in Midian he was met by two daughters....In the Tora it was seven

In the Qur'an's version God appeared to Moses after 10 years....In the Tora it was 40 years

In the Qur'an's version of the Exodus Pharaoh becomes a believer at the Red Sea....In the Tora he drowns there

notice that these are major differences...god could not be the author of both!!

Mohammed said to respect and believe the Bible...even the Gospel of Jesus Christ......But the Qur'an contradicts the Gospel of Christ

Sean....Put up #17


In the Qur'an John the Baptist's was father silent 3 days - INSTEAD OF 9 months

In the Qur'an Polygamy is encouraged - INSTEAD OF - refused

In the Qur'an there will be Marriage in Paradise - INSTEAD OF - spiritual relationships without marriage

In the Qur'an you can get an Easy divorce - INSTEAD OF - one reason ONLY for divorce

In the Qur'an you can Exchange your Wife - INSTEAD OF - being married for life

In the Qur'an you can Kill Opponents - INSTEAD OF Loving them

In the Qur'an Jesus is not God's Son - INSTEAD OF - the clear teaching that He is

In the Qur'an Jesus is not crucified - INSTEAD OF - the Biblical account that He was crucified for our sins

In the Qur'an Retaliation is commanded - INSTEAD OF - forbidden

I WANT YOU TO NOTICE...THESE ARE IMPORTANT DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES. GOD COULD NOT BE THE AUTHOR OF BOTH!

THE QUR'AN EVEN CONTRADICTS THE QUR'AN....

(Note....The Bible was written by 40 writers - over a span of 1500 yrs....note that Nadir gave us the best THAT THE ENEMIES OF THE BIBLE CAN FIND AS contradictions............)

Compare the Bible with the Qur'an given by Mohammed 1 man over the span of ...1 generation. I WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE BE NO CONTRADICTIONS....BUT...

Remember I said from the beginning you should look for the quality of evidence....now let's Compare contradictions in the Qur'an!!

Sean.....Put up OHP#18


THE QUR'AN CONTRADICTS THE QUR'AN

Concerning COMPULSION IN RELIGION - Fight & slay the Pagans wherever you find them Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day 9:5; 29

9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.[]

9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah[] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

BUT THE QUR'AN ALSO TEACHES....

Let there be NO COMPULSION in Religion 2:256

2:256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût[] and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

The Qur'an also teaches that OTHER RELIGIONS - Any who believes in God whether Jews, Christians Or Sabians shall have their reward in the Lord 2:62

2:62. Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, [] whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve [].

However, the Qur'an also teaches that If anyone desires a religion other than Islam.....it will never be accepted of him 3:85

3:85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers[].

The Qur'an also teaches that CHRIST DID NOT DIE 4:157-158

4:157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) <><> <>]: 158. But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All­Powerful, All­Wise. THEY TEACH THAT JESUS DIDN'T DIE...HE WAS TRANSLATED UP INTO HEAVEN MUCH LIKE ENOCH...

But then it says that Christ Did die 19:33

19:31-33 "And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Salât (prayer), and Zakât, as long as I live.. And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest. And Salâm (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!" ...v 34 says "Such was Jesus the son of Mary..."

THE QUR'AN WILL ALSO TELL YOU WHAT IS THE WORST SIN

Lie against God - 7:37

7:37. Who is more unjust than one who invents a lie against Allâh or rejects His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)?

Falsely claim inspiration - 6:93

6:93. And who can be more unjust than he who invents a lie against Allâh, or says: "I have received inspiration," whereas he is not inspired in anything; and who says, "I will reveal the like of what Allâh has revealed." And if you could but see when the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers, etc.) are in the agonies of death, while the angels are stretching forth their hands

Reject Him and His signs 8:22; 6:21

8:22. Verily! The worst of (moving) living creatures with Allâh are the deaf and the dumb, those who understand not (i.e. the disbelievers). 6:21. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh or rejects His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)? Verily, the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers, etc.) shall never be successful. Polytheism - 4:48 Verily, Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allâh in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.[]

The Makeup of the Qur'an

The Qur'an is a mixed up conglomeration of Judaism, Apostate Catholicism (takes on the false teachings of the early apostate Catholic church), And sensualism....gives man what he desires rather than what he needs.

Sean.....Put up OHP#3


THE QUR'AN IS A CONGLOMERATION OF: JUDAISM - CONFUSED OLD TESTAMENT NARRATIVES OF JOSEPH, MOSES, ETC....(REMEMBER OHP# 12 Qur'an vs OT??>

CONCERNING THE APOSTATE CATHOLICISM - THE QUR'AN SPEAKS TO A PERVERSION OF JESUS' SONSHIP (6:101), THE "DEITY" OF MARY (5:116), AND "TRINITY" (5:73-74)

6:101. He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All- Knower of everything[].

5:116. And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner­self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All­Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. ......CATHOLICISM MAKES MARY AS GOD....

5:73-74. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. 74. Will they not repent to Allâh and ask His Forgiveness? For Allâh is Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful.[]

.........TRINITY IS A CATHOLIC WORD......

THE QUR'AN ALSO MIXES IN A GREAT DEAL OF SENSUALISM

IT ALLOWS FOR POLYGAMY

(4:3) And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan­girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice. IT ALLOWS FOR EASY DIVORCE (2:229-232)

229. The divorce is twice, after that, either you retain her on reasonable terms or release her with kindness. And it is not lawful for you (men) to take back (from your wives) any of your Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) which you have given them, except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allâh (e.g. to deal with each other on a fair basis). Then if you fear that they would not be able to keep the limits ordained by Allâh, then there is no sin on either of them if she gives back (the Mahr or a part of it) for her Al-Khul' (divorce)[]. These are the limits ordained by Allâh, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by Allâh, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, etc.). 230. And if he has divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she has married another husband. Then, if the other husband divorces her, it is no sin on both of them that they reunite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allâh. These are the limits of Allâh, which He makes plain for the people who have knowledge. 231. And when you have divorced women and they have fulfilled the term of their prescribed period, either take them back on reasonable basis or set them free on reasonable basis. But do not take them back to hurt them, and whoever does that, then he has wronged himself. And treat not the Verses (Laws) of Allâh as a jest, but remember Allâh's Favours on you (i.e. Islâm), and that which He has sent down to you of the Book (i.e. the Qur'ân) and Al-Hikmah (the Prophet's Sunnah - legal ways - Islâmic jurisprudence, etc.) whereby He instructs you. And fear Allâh, and know that Allâh is All- Aware of everything. 232. And when you have divorced women and they have fulfilled the term of their prescribed period, do not prevent them from marrying their (former) husbands, if they mutually agree on reasonable basis. This (instruction) is an admonition for him among you who believes in Allâh and the Last Day. That is more virtuous and purer for you. Allâh knows and you know not.

THE QUR'AN OFFERS PARADISE WITH ITS "LOVELY MAIDENS" (44:53-54)

53.Dressed in fine silk and (also) in thick silk, facing each other, 54. So (it will be), and We shall marry them to Houris[] (female fair ones) with wide, lovely eyes.

THE QUR'AN EVEN PROMISES YOU ALL YOU WANT TO DRINK & NO HANGOVER (56:17-19)

17. They will be served by immortal boys, 18. With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine, 19. Wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head, nor any intoxication.

In the Bible - God is "no respecter of persons" - no class system

Paul....And all the apostles had to live by the same law as demanded of us.

EVEN JESUS lived and died under the OT Law....No exceptions for Him either.

Sean.....Put up OHP#6


Qur'an - God is a "respecter of persons"

Mohammed granted special favor in:

1. The number of wives he could have 33:50-51

2. Treatment of his wives when it comes to "due benevolence."

3. Divorce 66:1-5

4. Whom he could marry 33:37

5. Even being forgiveness of sins before their commission 48:2

In the Bible - We read of a perfect God.

Sean Put up OHP#7


Qur'an - Some qualities of God unworthy of deity


The Qur'an says that God CAUSES some to err 35:8; 45:23;

The Qur'an says that God endorses the denial of one's faith under certain circumstances 16:106

The Qur'an teaches that God will forgives some sins even before they are committed 48:2

By the Qur'an's theory of "cancellation and abrogation," the Qur'an makes God "vascillating" S. 2:106...."None of Our (Allah) revelations do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We (Allah) substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?"

S.16:101......"When We (Allah) substitute one revelation for another, -and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), - They say, 'Thou art but a forger' but most of them know not."

Sean....Put up OHP#30 again.....Mohammed told his followers to accept the OT and NT as the word of God.......


Sean....put up OHP#11

THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD DENIES ANY FURTHER REVELATIONS FROM GOD.

THE NEW TESTAMENT IS FINAL!!

1. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THE QUR'AN

A. All truth promised (John 16:13) Jesus promised the H/S ...will guide you into all the truth..."

B. All truth received ( 2 Pet. 1:3) "God has granted unto us all things that pertain to life and godliness.."

C. All truth preached (Acts 20:27) Paul said.... "For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God."

D. Cursed if go beyond (2 John 9; Gal. 1:7-9)"Whosoever transgresseth"...(goes beyond)..."Even thou we or an angel from heaven...."

2. THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE QUR'AN

A. Gospel is for every creature (Mk. 16:15)"Go into all the world & preach the gospel to every creature...." in every nation (Matt. 28:19) for all time (Matt. 28:20)

Matt. 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

B. COMPLETE in Christ (Col. 2:10)...... "in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority..."

C. Scriptures delivered "One time for all time"(Jude 3) Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

3. THERE IS NO USE FOR THE QUR'AN

It denies the crucifixion of Christ, omits his resurrection, and perverts the very person of God and His Son, thereby robbing man of his only hope.