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THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE
INSPIRED WORD OF GOD
Let me first define the Proposition:
"The Qur'an" (we are talking about the original MMS - NOT necessarily Translations or Paraphrases
[will get into that later])
"Is not the inspired word of God" (I mean by that, Not from God....but from man)
We will be comparing the Bible and the Qur'an. Be careful to compare the
type of "proofs" being offered by Nadir and myself. His proofs will take a degree of
"faith." You will need to already believe in the Qur'an.
We will be using the type of logic - like in a court of law - evidence. You will
be called upon to "reason." Nadir and I are under obligation to prove what we
say by "A preponderance of the evidence;" by reason.
Only one can be "Divinely Inspired."
The Bible claims to be the only inspired work, the only word that comes from God.....so both can't be inspired. Even if the Qur'an says that BOTH are from God. If Bible is wrong on this point, .....that it is God's only written, inspired, revelation to man.... then the Bible can't be from God
Nadir showed last night what he believed were proofs that the Bible is not
God's word.... COMPARE CAREFULLY THE TYPE OF PROOFS HE
OFFERED WITH THE TYPE OF PROOFS I OFFER THAT THE QUR'AN
IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD.
The Qur'an is not consistent with known Scientific LawsAnd there is nothing in the Qur'an that pre-dates true scientific knowledge...as does the Bible
The Qur'an tells us about "Seven Heavens" in S.67:3, S.23:86, S.71:15, S.41:12; S.17:44
Sean put up OHP#32
What is meant by the "Seven Heavens?" One might pass over these verses as essentially poetic, but Dr. Torki (an Islamic scholar)attempts to show that this agrees with modern astronomical knowledge.
Starting with the earth's atmosphere which averages about 40 kms in thickness as the first heaven, he then multiplies this by 10,000 for the second heaven (lunar heaven), then multiply that by 10,000 for the third (solar) heaven, then that by 10,000 for the fourth (etc...) he comes up with the galactic heaven and the cosmic heaven, etc.
Calling the earth's atmosphere the first heaven, and everything else the second,
might have some validity; but everything else is arbitrary.
Outside the earth's atmosphere, space is continuous and qualitatively similar,
as Torki himself says. It is a basic assumption to separate what is continuous
space into a lunar and a solar heaven. It is a basic assumption to separate the
sun, which is a star, from the near stars, or from the galaxy which contains it.
It is a basic assumption to call our galaxy one heaven, and other galaxies
another heaven. Even multiplying by 10,000 seems to be a completely
arbitrary basic assumption since no scientific reason is given............Even more
important from the Muslim standpoint, Dr. Torki's hypothesis does not agree
with the following verses from the Qur'an,
S.37:6, ``We have indeed adorned the lower heaven with the beauty of the
S.41:12 ``And He completed them seven heavens in two days and inspired in
each heaven its command; and We adorned the lower heaven with
lamps(masabih), and rendered it guarded...''
S.67:3,5, ``He Who created the seven heavens, one above the other... And We
have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps (masabih)...''
I had planned on talking about more scientific difficulties such as:
SHOOTING STARS AND METEORS
PROBLEMS ABOUT TIME THAT THINGS HAPPENED...
I promised Nadir that I would give him all the information that I was going to
give in the debate by 15 days before the debate...I inadvertently left these out
of my notes. I have made these available in print form for you future study, if
you like. Tap Here
I did tell Nadir that I was going to show the type of Science you find in the
Bible .............Talking "Scientific Laws, not theories"
In the Qur'an the knowledge is consistent with its day.
Sean...Put up OHP#33
The Bible has knowledge that could only have come from God
In Psalm 8:8 David tells of the "paths of the sea." If you ever pass by the
Naval Academy, in Annapolis, Md., you will see a statue of Matthew Fontaine
Maury. He is called the "Father of Oceanography."
One day will lying ill his son was reading to him out of the Bible and read this
verse. The senior Maury asked for it to be repeated. He then said, "If God
says there are 'paths of the sea' I'm going to find them." When he got well,
that is just what he did. We now have the modern shipping lanes and can
track fish in these "paths of the sea" that were "discovered" by Matthew
Fontain Maury. He really didn't discover them, however. God told him that
they were there!!
Paul said, "All flesh not the same." He asserts that there is a different flesh of
animal, man, fish, and fowl. Until the invention of the electron microscope we
could not tell from one kind of flesh from another. It was assumed that the
cells were the same. If a woman was murdered and they found fragments of
flesh under her fingernails, they wouldn't have known if she scratched a man,
pinched her dog, or was preparing dinner. Now they can take a few cells and
determine exactly what type of flesh it was. Because we now know..."all flesh
is not the same" - 1 Cor. 15:39
In Lev. 17:11 Moses said that the "life of the flesh is in the blood." Until
recently (historically speaking) man thought that when you are sick you needed
to get that "bad blood" out of you. They would cut fingers and let you bleed
into a bucket; cut you wrists; put leeches on you, etc. People grew
sicker....some died. We now know by science that "the life of the flesh is in the
In Isa. 49:22 and Prov. 8:27 we learn that the Earth is spherical. The Hebrew
word for "round" in these verses is "khug;" the word for sphericity (like a
ball). Until way past the time of Columbus people still believed the world was
flat. If you sailed out past the "horizon" you would fall off the end. But God
said all along that the world is a "circle," a sphere (khug).
Ptolomy and other scientists of their day determined that you can count the
stars. They designed elaborate grids to keep track of their position. The
determined that there were approximately 3200 stars. This was accepted
"science" until the development of the telescope. Now we know that the "stars
are innumerable," just as recorded by God for us in Jer. 33:22; Heb. 11:12
There are many, many other examples such as Job's statement that the "earth
not supported" - Job 26:7
Babies were to be circumcised on the eighth day. We know now that blood
does not begin to clot until the eighth day. Babies could have bled to death.
We now can inject vitamin K into babies to promote blood clotting and safely
circumcise them before the eighth day. But how could Moses have known that
vitamin K wasn't produced in babies until the eighth day?
Modern Scientific Knowledge
Here is where we will differ......Nadir tells us about the "big bang theory" and
that most all scientists agree that is how the earth began.....and that the Qur'an
speaks of such. I deny that is true science.
Nadir will affirm that the scientists agree to an "old" earth (millions or billions
of years old).....and that denies the "young" earth theory of the Bible. I do not
believe this is true science.....We are talking theories.
I want us to consider scientific LAWS - not speculation; not theories....We can
stack those theories on each side of the room. He can stack "his" to the ceiling,
and so can I.
We need to consider scientific laws like the 1 & 2 laws of thermodynamics; and
the laws of Biogenesis. The earth is running down - not evolving. Science tells
us that "All life comes from pre-existing life" - not that life spontaneously
generated from non-life. Science tells us that each species reproduces "after
its own kind" - just like the Genesis account.
The Bible is not a Science book.... and is not expected to explain all scientific
knowledge. But every place it touches on Science it is correct.
I think that it is further proof that it is from God in that it never makes silly
statements that would reflect the science of its time. Some recent (so called)
"inspired" books written by men (only a little over 100 years ago) tell us that
when a mother nurses her child the child takes on the characteristics of the
mother. Wet nurses who were of bad moral character passed on those
characteristics to the child......Another says that metal, including precious
metal, "grows like the hair on your head." It grows much slower, but if left
alone it is constantly growing.....WHY DOESN'T THE BIBLE MAKE SUCH
CLAIMS .... IT IS MUCH OLDER!!
Sean....Put up OHP#34
COMPARE THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN
Bible is consistent with its message throughout. The Bible was written by 40
writers over 1500 yrs. It is certainly amazing, to say the very least, that there
are no contradictions. The message is constant.....the OT pointing toward a
Messiah, a Savior who would come to the children of Israel but would also save
the people of all nations. The NT revealing that Jesus is Christ (Messiah); and
He fulfilled all the prophecies concerning Himself from each of these OT
prophets. And every prophecy concerning the coming kingdom, or church,
was fulfilled! TRULY AMAZING....NO CONTRADICTIONS!!
Nadir claims the same for the Qur'an; that there are no contradictions. (You
will see in a moment that is not true.) But if it were true. We know that it was
given by 1 man in 1 generation. We would almost expect that there would be
Seeing how the Bible has such scientific pre-knowledge; how all the prophecies
and information were consistent throughout the 1500 years and 40 writers, etc.
we must realize that "Men COULDN'T HAVE WRITTEN IT" even if they
wanted to.......However, if someone wanted to write a book like the Qur'an, or
the Book of Mormon, or Doctrines and Covenants, the works of Mary Baker
Eddie.....not only COULD THEY....THEY DID!!
Another important proof that the Bible came from God is that "Men
WOULDN'T HAVE WRITTEN IT, even if they could." The Bible doesn't
allow men to satiate their appetites. The Bible restricts man to one wife....for
life. The Bible demands "self-control" in areas that man would rather not
have to control himself. We will see in a moment that the Qur'an allows for
those things that man would like to do. Not only now....but in heaven. For that
matter the Qur'an is just what men WOULD have written....allows for
sensuality, polygamy, and other desires of the flesh.
Sean....Put up OHP#30
Mohammed certainly had respect for the Bible as God's word!!Mohammed said to believe all if these inspired writers. The Muslims are supposed to believe Moses...They are to believe the Tora...
But the Qur'an contradicts the OT....Sean Put up OHP#12
Look at all of these contradictions and mis-statements that we find in the
Qur'an as it applies to OT history. I am sure that we can find many more.In the Qur'an's version of Noah and the flood, one of Noah's sons drowned....In the Tora all were saved
In the Qur'an's version of Lot's escape from Sodom Lot's wife stayed behind....In the Tora she didn't
In the Qur'an's version of Joseph and Potipher's wife we find Potipher near the door when his wife seduces Joseph....In the Tora he was not home
In the Qur'an's version Potipher urges Joseph to forgive her....In the Tora he was put into prison
In the Qur'an's version Joseph was imprisoned for resisting a group of women....In the Tora he was imprisoned for resisting Potipher's wife
In the Qur'an's version of the Pharaoh's dream the cupbearer tells the interpretation of the dream....In the Tora Joseph does
In the Qur'an's version of hiding Baby Moses in the Nile Pharaoh's people pick up Moses and the Pharaoh's wife urges him not to kill the child....In the Tora Pharaoh's daughter finds the child
In the Qur'an's version of when Moses met Jethro's daughters in Midian he was met by two daughters....In the Tora it was seven
In the Qur'an's version God appeared to Moses after 10 years....In the Tora it was 40 years
In the Qur'an's version of the Exodus Pharaoh becomes a believer at the Red Sea....In the Tora he drowns there
notice that these are major differences...god could not be the author of both!!
Mohammed said to respect and believe the Bible...even the Gospel of Jesus
Christ......But the Qur'an contradicts the Gospel of Christ
Sean....Put up #17
In the Qur'an John the Baptist's was father silent 3 days - INSTEAD OF 9 months
In the Qur'an Polygamy is encouraged - INSTEAD OF - refused
In the Qur'an there will be Marriage in Paradise - INSTEAD OF - spiritual relationships without marriage
In the Qur'an you can get an Easy divorce - INSTEAD OF - one reason ONLY for divorce
In the Qur'an you can Exchange your Wife - INSTEAD OF - being married for life
In the Qur'an you can Kill Opponents - INSTEAD OF Loving them
In the Qur'an Jesus is not God's Son - INSTEAD OF - the clear teaching that He is
In the Qur'an Jesus is not crucified - INSTEAD OF - the Biblical account that He was crucified for our sins
In the Qur'an Retaliation is commanded - INSTEAD OF - forbidden
I WANT YOU TO NOTICE...THESE ARE IMPORTANT DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES. GOD COULD NOT BE THE AUTHOR OF BOTH!
THE QUR'AN EVEN CONTRADICTS THE QUR'AN....
(Note....The Bible was written by 40 writers - over a span of 1500 yrs....note that Nadir gave us the best THAT
THE ENEMIES OF THE BIBLE CAN FIND AS contradictions............)
Compare the Bible with the Qur'an given by Mohammed 1 man over the span of ...1 generation. I WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE BE NO CONTRADICTIONS....BUT...
Remember I said from the beginning you should look for the quality of
evidence....now let's Compare contradictions in the Qur'an!!
Sean.....Put up OHP#18
THE QUR'AN CONTRADICTS THE QUR'AN
Concerning COMPULSION IN RELIGION - Fight & slay the Pagans wherever you find them Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day 9:5; 29
9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Isl‚mic calendar) have passed, then kill the MushrikŻn (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Sal‚t (Iq‚mat-as-Sal‚t), and give Zak‚t, then leave their way free. Verily, All‚h is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in All‚h, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by All‚h and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Isl‚m) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
BUT THE QUR'AN ALSO TEACHES....
Let there be NO COMPULSION in Religion 2:256
2:256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in T‚ghŻt and believes in All‚h, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And All‚h is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
The Qur'an also teaches that OTHER RELIGIONS - Any who believes in God whether Jews, Christians Or Sabians shall have their reward in the Lord 2:62
2:62. Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians,  whoever believes in All‚h and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve .
However, the Qur'an also teaches that
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam.....it will never be accepted of him 3:85
3:85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl‚m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
The Qur'an also teaches that CHRIST DID NOT DIE 4:157-158
4:157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of All‚h," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) <><> <>]: 158. But All‚h raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And All‚h is Ever All≠Powerful, All≠Wise. THEY TEACH THAT JESUS DIDN'T DIE...HE WAS TRANSLATED UP INTO HEAVEN MUCH LIKE ENOCH...
But then it says that Christ Did die 19:33
19:31-33 "And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Sal‚t (prayer), and Zak‚t, as long as I live.. And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest. And Sal‚m (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!" ...v 34 says "Such was Jesus the son of Mary..."
THE QUR'AN WILL ALSO TELL YOU WHAT IS THE WORST SIN
Lie against God - 7:37
7:37. Who is more unjust than one who invents a lie against All‚h or rejects His Ay‚t (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)?
Falsely claim inspiration - 6:93
6:93. And who can be more unjust than he who invents a lie against All‚h, or says: "I have received inspiration," whereas he is not inspired in anything; and who says, "I will reveal the like of what All‚h has revealed." And if you could but see when the Z‚limŻn (polytheists and wrong≠doers, etc.) are in the agonies of death, while the angels are stretching forth their hands
Reject Him and His signs 8:22; 6:21
8:22. Verily! The worst of (moving) living creatures with All‚h are the deaf and the dumb, those who understand not (i.e. the disbelievers).
6:21. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against All‚h or rejects His Ay‚t (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.)? Verily, the Z‚limŻn (polytheists and wrong≠doers, etc.) shall never be successful.
Polytheism - 4:48 Verily, All‚h forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with All‚h in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.
The Makeup of the Qur'an
The Qur'an is a mixed up conglomeration of Judaism, Apostate Catholicism
(takes on the false teachings of the early apostate Catholic church), And
sensualism....gives man what he desires rather than what he needs.
Sean.....Put up OHP#3
THE QUR'AN IS A CONGLOMERATION OF:
JUDAISM - CONFUSED OLD TESTAMENT NARRATIVES OF JOSEPH, MOSES, ETC....(REMEMBER OHP# 12 Qur'an vs OT??>
CONCERNING THE APOSTATE CATHOLICISM - THE QUR'AN SPEAKS TO A PERVERSION OF JESUS' SONSHIP (6:101), THE "DEITY" OF MARY (5:116), AND "TRINITY" (5:73-74)
6:101. He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All- Knower of everything.
5:116. And (remember) when All‚h will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides All‚h?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner≠self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All≠Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.
......CATHOLICISM MAKES MARY AS GOD....
5:73-74. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "All‚h is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no il‚h (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Il‚h (God -All‚h). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.
74. Will they not repent to All‚h and ask His Forgiveness? For All‚h is Oft≠Forgiving, Most Merciful.
.........TRINITY IS A CATHOLIC WORD......
THE QUR'AN ALSO MIXES IN A GREAT DEAL OF SENSUALISM
IT ALLOWS FOR POLYGAMY
(4:3) And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan≠girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.
IT ALLOWS FOR EASY DIVORCE (2:229-232)
229. The divorce is twice, after that, either you retain her on reasonable terms or release her with kindness. And it is not lawful for you (men) to take back (from your wives) any of your Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) which you have given them, except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by All‚h (e.g. to deal with each other on a fair basis). Then if you fear that they would not be able to keep the limits ordained by All‚h, then there is no sin on either of them if she gives back (the Mahr or a part of it) for her Al-Khul' (divorce). These are the limits ordained by All‚h, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by All‚h, then such are the Z‚limŻn (wrong-doers, etc.).
230. And if he has divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she has married another husband. Then, if the other husband divorces her, it is no sin on both of them that they reunite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by All‚h. These are the limits of All‚h, which He makes plain for the people who have knowledge.
231. And when you have divorced women and they have fulfilled the term of their prescribed period, either take them back on reasonable basis or set them free on reasonable basis. But do not take them back to hurt them, and whoever does that, then he has wronged himself. And treat not the Verses (Laws) of All‚h as a jest, but remember All‚h's Favours on you (i.e. Isl‚m), and that which He has sent down to you of the Book (i.e. the Qur'‚n) and Al-Hikmah (the Prophet's Sunnah - legal ways - Isl‚mic jurisprudence, etc.) whereby He instructs you. And fear All‚h, and know that All‚h is All- Aware of everything.
232. And when you have divorced women and they have fulfilled the term of their prescribed period, do not prevent them from marrying their (former) husbands, if they mutually agree on reasonable basis. This (instruction) is an admonition for him among you who believes in All‚h and the Last Day. That is more virtuous and purer for you. All‚h knows and you know not.
THE QUR'AN OFFERS PARADISE WITH ITS "LOVELY MAIDENS" (44:53-54)
53.Dressed in fine silk and (also) in thick silk, facing each other, 54. So (it will be), and We shall marry them to Houris (female fair ones) with wide, lovely eyes.
THE QUR'AN EVEN PROMISES YOU ALL YOU WANT TO DRINK & NO HANGOVER (56:17-19)
17. They will be served by immortal boys, 18. With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine, 19. Wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head, nor any intoxication.
In the Bible - God is "no respecter of persons" - no class system
Paul....And all the apostles had to live by the same law as demanded of us.
EVEN JESUS lived and died under the OT Law....No exceptions for Him either.
Sean.....Put up OHP#6
Qur'an - God is a "respecter of persons"
Mohammed granted special favor in:
1. The number of wives he could have 33:50-51
2. Treatment of his wives when it comes to "due benevolence."
3. Divorce 66:1-5
4. Whom he could marry 33:37
5. Even being forgiveness of sins before their commission 48:2
In the Bible - We read of a perfect God.
Sean Put up OHP#7
Qur'an - Some qualities of God unworthy of deity
The Qur'an says that God CAUSES some to err 35:8; 45:23;
The Qur'an says that God endorses the denial of one's faith under certain
The Qur'an teaches that God will forgives some sins even before they are
By the Qur'an's theory of "cancellation and abrogation," the Qur'an makes
God "vascillating" S. 2:106...."None of Our (Allah) revelations do we abrogate
or cause to be forgotten, but We (Allah) substitute something better or similar:
Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?"
We (Allah) substitute one revelation for another, -and Allah knows best what
He reveals (in stages), - They say, 'Thou art but a forger' but most of them
Sean....Put up OHP#30 again.....Mohammed told his followers to accept the
OT and NT as the word of God.......
Sean....put up OHP#11
THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD DENIES ANY FURTHER
REVELATIONS FROM GOD.
THE NEW TESTAMENT IS FINAL!!
1. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THE QUR'AN
A. All truth promised (John 16:13) Jesus promised the H/S ...will guide you into all the truth..."
B. All truth received ( 2 Pet. 1:3) "God has granted unto us all things that pertain to life and godliness.."
C. All truth preached (Acts 20:27) Paul said.... "For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God."
D. Cursed if go beyond (2 John 9; Gal. 1:7-9)"Whosoever transgresseth"...(goes beyond)..."Even thou we or an angel from heaven...."
2. THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE QUR'AN
A. Gospel is for every creature (Mk. 16:15)"Go into all the world & preach the gospel to every creature...." in every nation (Matt. 28:19) for all time (Matt. 28:20)
Matt. 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
B. COMPLETE in Christ (Col. 2:10)...... "in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority..."
C. Scriptures delivered "One time for all time"(Jude 3) Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
3. THERE IS NO USE FOR THE QUR'AN
It denies the crucifixion of Christ, omits his resurrection, and perverts the very person of God and His Son, thereby robbing man of his only hope.