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This is what the debate is really all about. SALVATION!
Pay close attention to both speakers....YOUR SOUL'S DESTINY MAY REST
UPON HOW YOU LISTEN.
I want to appeal to the non-Christians in this audience. I am saying these
things out of love and concern for you. Some of what I say may be hard for
you to hear because it goes against the grain of what you have accepted - -
All I ask is that you listen and try to understand.
THE NATURE OF GOD
Here is where we need to begin - The God of heaven is not Allah.
Nadir claims that we worship the same God....this is just not true!
The God that Nadir brings us is nothing like the God of the Bible.
SEAN....OHP #7 -
THE GOD OF THE QUR'AN
While the Qur'an ascribes to God many admirable and even divine qualities, it also ascribes to Him a number of qualities that are unworthy of deity.
The Qur'an says that:
1. He causeth to err/or go astray
35:8. Is he, then, to whom the evil of his deeds made fair≠seeming, so that he considers it as good (equal to one who is rightly guided)? Verily, All‚h sends astray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So destroy not yourself (O Muhammad SAW) in sorrow for them. Truly, All‚h is the All≠Knower of what they do!
2. He endorses denial of faith; denial of God under certain circumstances
16:106 Whoever disbelieved in All‚h after his belief, except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from All‚h, and theirs will be a great torment.
3. He forgives sins even before they are committed
48:1-2. Verily, We have given you (O Muhammad SAW) a manifest victory. 2. That All‚h may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path;
4. Its theory of "cancellation and abrogation," makes God vacillating
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that All‚h is able to do all things?
16:101 And when We change a Verse [of the Qur'‚n, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order] in place of another, and All‚h knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: "You (O Muhammad SAW) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar)." Nay, but most of them know not.
NOTE: If I understand this correctly God is telling Mohammed, "I may cause you to forget some scriptures...but don't worry about it, I may give you even better ones in their place" i.e. those other ones don't count any more....but the new ones do.
5. The Qur'an makes God a respecter of persons
Remember OHP#6....Mohammed was granted a lot of special favors; including the number of wives he could have; the treatment of his wives; divorce; who he could marry; even being forgiven of sins before they are committed.
Sean ......Put up OHP #35
The God of the Bible is ALL POWERFUL - ALMIGHTY - Spoke the universe into existence
And knows the hearts and intents of men
Jer. 31:17-27 'Ah Lord GOD! Behold, Thou hast made the heavens and the
earth by Thy great power and by Thine outstretched arm! Nothing is too difficult
for Thee, who showest lovingkindness to thousands, but repayest the iniquity of
fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God. The
LORD of hosts is His name; great in counsel and mighty in deed, whose eyes
are open to all the ways of the sons of men, giving to everyone according to his
ways and according to the fruit of his deeds;
God is a God of Love.
This is a much abused idea. Some think that God is only love and will
therefore condemn no one.
It is true that God desires all to be saved (2 Peter 3:9; 1 Tim. 2:4).
1) 2 Pet. 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness,
but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to
1 Tim. 2:3-4 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who
desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
But this must be tempered by understanding that not all will be saved.
The very mention of a judgment day argues against universal
salvation (2 Cor. 5:10). For we must all appear before the judgment seat of
Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to
what he has done, whether good or bad.
God is also TOTALLY JUST
Moses said....Deut. 32:3-4 "For I proclaim the name of the LORD; Ascribe
greatness to our God! "The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just;
A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He.
Job said in Job 34:10-12 "Therefore, listen to me, you men of understanding.
Far be it from God to do wickedness, And from the Almighty to do wrong. For
He pays a man according to his work, And makes him find it according to his
way. Surely, God will not act wickedly, And the Almighty will not pervert
Sean put up OHP#36
We also need to understand THE NATURE OF MAN
Man is far beneath God....Cannot understand God without His revealing
In Isa. 55:8-9 we read, "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Neither are your ways My
ways," declares the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So
are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts."
Man has always sought to make God like himself - we have seen that this week.
Muslims ridicule the nature of God because He doesn't fit their concepts
The scriptures recognize that man is a sinner.....
Because he violates the law of God
1 John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is
1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin,
B. Rom. 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in
Christ Jesus our Lord.
Man is lost because of sin...
Romans 6:23 says, " For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Sean Put up OHP#37
SIN SEPARATES US FROM GOD
Isa. 59:1-2 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not so short That it cannot save;
Neither is His ear so dull That it cannot hear. But your iniquities have made a
separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from
you, so that He does not hear.
James 1:13-15 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by
God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt
anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his
own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is
accomplished, it brings forth death. (NOTE: SP. DEATH)
Sean.....Put up #38
HERE'S THE DILEMMA
WE HAVE THE GREATNESS & PERFECTION OF GOD
BUT THERE IS ALSO THE SINFULLNESS AND IMPERFECTION OF MAN
GOD WANTS US TO BE SAVED
BUT GOD IS TOTALLY JUST
Sean PUT UP OHP#15
Rom 3:23-26 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being
justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This
was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He
passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His
righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the
one who has faith in Jesus.
1) Penalty for robbing a bank if $50K a $5,000 fine - not just
2) Penalty for a man killing his wife - 30 days in jail!! - not just
3) WHAT COULD MAN PROVIDE TO ALMIGHTY GOD
TO PAY THE PRICE FOR SIN?? - God provided the greatest sacrifice
1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent
His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
From the beginning.......tell of the reason for the animal sacrifices....
O. T. a forshadowing of what God had in mind...
Heb 10:1-9 For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come
and not the very form of things, can never by the same sacrifices year by year,
which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise,
would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once
been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? But in those
sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year. For it is impossible for the
blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Therefore, when He comes into the
world, He says, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING THOU HAST NOT DESIRED,
BUT A BODY THOU HAST PREPARED FOR ME; IN WHOLE BURNT
OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN THOU HAST TAKEN NO PLEASURE.
"THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME (IN THE ROLL OF THE BOOK
IT IS WRITTEN OF ME) TO DO THY WILL, O GOD.'"
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After saying above, "SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND WHOLE BURNT
OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN THOU HAST NOT DESIRED, NOR
HAST THOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them" (which are offered according to the
Law), then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO THY WILL." He takes
away the first in order to establish the second.
O. T. became a "means to an end"
Gal. 3:19-29 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having
been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed should
come to whom the promise had been made. Now a mediator is not for one party
only; whereas God is only one. Is the Law then contrary to the promises of
God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life,
then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. But the Scripture has
shut up all men under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be
given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept in custody
under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be
justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who
were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither
Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor
female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you
are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
The only propitiation for our sins - had to be the sacrifice of God's own Son
who was totally pure......
HOW TO HAVE THAT BLOOD APPLIED TO OUR LIVES.......
SO THAT WE COULD GO FREE
Heb. 1:1-3 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many
portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son,
whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature,
and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made
purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb. 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to
God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Must be willing to declare that faith...publicly!
Matt. 10:32-34 "Everyone therefore who shall confess Me before men, I will
also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever shall deny
Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven. Do not
think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but
God wants us to take a stand for Him
And that means we may have to sacrifice - suffer persecution
Matt. 16:13-18 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He
began asking His disciples, saying, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others,
Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." He said to them, "But who do you say that I
am?" And Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the
living God." And Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon
Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who
is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will
build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it." - THE
CONFESSION - NOT PETER
Rom. 10:9-10 ..... if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in
your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the
heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.
Ethiopian Eunuch....Acts 8:29-38 And the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join
this chariot." And when Philip had run up, he heard him reading Isaiah the
prophet, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" And he said,
"Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?" And he invited Philip to come
up and sit with him. Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was
this: "HE WAS LED AS A SHEEP TO SLAUGHTER; AND AS A LAMB
BEFORE ITS SHEARER IS SILENT, SO HE DOES NOT OPEN HIS
MOUTH. "IN HUMILIATION HIS JUDGMENT WAS TAKEN AWAY; WHO
SHALL RELATE HIS GENERATION? FOR HIS LIFE IS REMOVED FROM
THE EARTH." And the eunuch answered Philip and said, "Please tell me, of
whom does the prophet say this? Of himself, or of someone else?" And Philip
opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him.
And as they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said^,
"Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" And Philip said, "If
you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe
that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." And he ordered the chariot to stop; and
they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch; and he
Faith is not all that there is.......Must repent of sin....Remember the whole point
is dealing with sin!!
Rom 6:1-11 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace might
increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Or do
you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been
baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through
baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the
glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have
become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall be also
in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified
with Him, that our body of sin might be done away with, that we should no
longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Now if we have
died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that
Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer
is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin, once for all; but
the life that He lives, He lives to God. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to
sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
The first gospel sermon......After Jesus D, B, R....sent apostles
Mark 16:15-16....And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the
gospel to all creation. "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be
saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Acts 2:36-38 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God
has made Him both Lord and Christ-- this Jesus whom you crucified." Now
when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the
rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?" And Peter said to them,
"Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It is Baptism that is the final act that changes one's spiritual condition.....
Jesus refers to this as being "born again" John 3:1-5 Now there was a man of
the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews; this man came to Him by
night, and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a
teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him."
Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born
again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus said to Him, "How can
a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's
womb and be born, can he?" Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless
one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Look at the passages we cited already
In Gal. 3:19-29 where Paul shows that the O.T. Law was our tutor to bring us
unto Christ said in V.27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have
clothed yourselves with Christ.
In Acts 8 where Luke is telling us about the Philip's conversion of the
Eunuch.....emphasizing his confession of Christ...."preached unto him
Jesus"...."See, here is water..."
In Rom. 6....emphasizing the need for repentance.....Or do you not know that all
of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His
In Mark 16:15-16...emphasizing the sending out of the apostles to preach the
gospel.... "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved;
and then I emphasized the first gospel sermon in Acts 2:36-38..... required
repentance....also demands baptism ....Peter said..."Repent and be baptized for
the forgiveness of sins."
So many others.....Tell of Saul of Tarsus' conversion....Acts 22:16
after believing, repenting, praying, fasting..... 'And now why do you delay?
Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'
PUT UP OHP#30.....Mohammed said that you must believe ..... Why do you
Sean,....put up #39
1. Nadir said that Muslims believe the Tora....Reject a "bloody Religion"
Cain & Abel - animal sacrifice to God
Passover of the Jews based upon the blood sacrifice
1) Death of first born
2) salvation through a lamb's blood sprinkled on the door posts
Throughout the Tora...blood sacrifice for sins
What was the point of Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac (or given Ishmael)?
1) prove faith
2) a picture of God sacrificing His own son
Look at the Tora....When Israel became then what the Nation of Islam is
God punished them; destroyed them; sent them into captivity
1) look at the nations that embrace Islam today - struggles - poverty
Mohammed said to believe the prophets of the O.T. -
===========================================================Sean----put up #40
Nadir said they reject all but the Tora - and they believe we have a corrupted
Look at what is "Thrown out"
Name of God (Allah for Jehovah)
The words that God chose to use...Too pornographic
Ishmael being the son of promise - not Isaac
All the accounts of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. (Changed all the facts)
Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac as a picture of His salvation
David and the promises concerning setting up his throne (kingdom) starting
from Jerusalem.....Spiritual kingdom
WHAT IS LEFT??
Sean....put up #41
Mohammed sais to believe the Gospel of Jesus
Reject Jesus as the Son of God
Reject Blood sacrifice for sin
Reject the writers of the 4 Gospels
Reject Paul completely - All of his writings
Reject the N.T. Concept of "Love"
Reject the death of Jesus - Crucifixion
Reject the Resurrection of Jesus
Reject the ascension of Jesus
Reject the church of Jesus
WHAT IS LEFT??
ONLY ACCEPT THAT HE WAS MIRACULOUSLY BORN OF A VIRGIN
That he was divinely inspired and commissioned by God
WHAT THIS DEBATE HAS BEEN ABOUT:
Muslims don't like the way God chose to do His will:
Way he revealed His Gospel (Through letters)
Blood sacrifice for sins
Restrictions (fornication - etc.)
Name of God (Allah - Jehovah)
OHP#4....JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD
OHP#14....HOW JESUS DIED
OHP#15.....WHY JESUS DIED
OHP#16.....A DEADLY PARALLEL